Topics of the day:

1. Re: Computers
2. Re: Computers
3. Re: Computers
4. Dolphin Management system
5. Patient with Parry-Romberg syndrome
6. Soldering hooks
7. ESCO - The Electronic Study Club for Orthodontics


From: "Albert Wong" <>
To: "The Electronic Study Club for Orthodontics" <ESCO@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Computers
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:22:13 -0700

In reply to Dr Ruff's question:

1) we have used the Windows version of Orthotrac, and believe that it is a good package, provided the practice is running in only one office location - we had severe problems in trying to run it over three branches simultaneously (almost 30 workstations!) even though we had Citrix metaframe terminal services and a fibre-optic connection! The database constantly crashed and had to be repaired and compacted on an almost daily basis - incredibly disruptive, embarrasing and frustrating. We have since opted out and gone with ClinicView ( - much better performance, but a very different animal ie. not a true "database" program.

2) the transport of data from one software system to another is always going to be a problem. Sticking with Orthotrac is likely to be your best option if you want as much of the data to be ported from the old to the new, unless you have a very deep level of understanding of the way the data has been stored in the old system and are able to retrieve it yourself. I would not expect any vendor of a new (and unrelated) software to have a deep understanding of the old software - that is your problem! However, I would expect the vendors of the new software to have a deep understanding of their software and to know what format the data will need to be in in order to best import it into their program. Most software developers will try to hold in secret the inner workings of their software. If there is anyone out there who understands the storage of data in the Orthotrac unix system and how to extract it, please stand up and make yourself known! I'm sure that there will be others like Dr Ruff who would like your help, in their wish to move out from Orthotrac Unix.

Good luck,

Albert Wong
Melbourne, Australia.


Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:01:34 -0400
To: "The Electronic Study Club for Orthodontics" <ESCO@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Computers

To Charles J. Ruff,

You may want to look at OASYS also. I have had it for four years and am happy with it. Looked at Orthotrac but was told by several friends that they continuously charged for something or other.I don"t mind paying for support but don't want to be taken advantage of.

Anthony Togrye

Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:05:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Computers

Dear Dr. Ruff:

As a longtime (10 uears) user of Orthotrac windows, may I suggest that switching from Classic to Windows is a downgrade.  The Windows program is quite slow in it's newer version even on a completely up to date network.  If you use integrated imaging and the letter writing function you'l spend many long minutes wating for whatever you've clicked to appear or disappear.  The architecture of the program is abysmal. I would look at Dolphin.  If in fact they import 60 days of full ledger information that is better than most conversions companies offer.  They all say they will convert your data, but in fact you usually end up with only a "conversion balance" which is just one number: what the patient owes on the day you convert.

Good Luck!!!

Dr. Brian Povolny


Subject: Dolphin Management system
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:40:30 -0700
From: "Chester Wang" <>
CC: "Charles J. Ruff" <>, PARKST12@PREXAR.COM

Dear ESCO (and Dr. Ruff) – Dolphin Management converts a practice's ENTIRE financial data (from Orthotrac or any of the existing ortho management systems), with absolutely no date limits. Customers would NOT lose any past data. Dolphin has successfully converted many “Orthotrac Unix” systems.

Dolphin Management is feature-rich, financially-solid practice management software with many existing practice users in the U.S. and Canada . We'd be happy to provide appropriate referrals that have been converted from an existing system.

Chester H. Wang
Managing Director


Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:09 EDT
Subject: Patient with Parry-Romberg syndrome

Has anyone had any experience treating a patient with Parry-Romberg syndrome (or also known as Romberg syndrome).  It is a hemi-facial atrophy that follows the path of Trigeminal N. innervation.  It can cause to a lesser or greater degree during the first or second decade a progressive wasting away of the soft tissue and even underlying bone. Any known contraindications to head gear use in a 12 year old female if the _expression has not yet begun?

Phil Badalamenti
St. Clair Shores, MI


Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:02:41 EDT
Subject: Soldering hooks

I'm interested in how many of you solder hooks and attachments to archwires.  I know with crimpable hooks and attachments many don't use the solder technique anymore.    However, I feel there are some instances where it would be most beneficial.  During my residency we used a unit that used small brass electrodes (Ormco) that made it relatively easy.  In the past, I have tried to find such a unit but they aren't available from the multitude of sources I checked.  I would be interested to know your techniques.

Rob Bard



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