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From: "Charles Ruff" <>
Subject: Miniplates
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:16:40 -0500

Are any of you doing miniplates? I'm interested in which plating system your surgeon is using. I've just been involved in my first patient having plates and the surgeon is pretty disappointed in the Stryker system. I'd like to use Sugawara's system but it is not yet FDA approved. Any other possibilities?


charlie ruff


From: "Lively Orthodontics, P.A." <>
To: "The Electronic Study Club for Orthodontics" <ESCO@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Self Ligation and bracket repositioning
Date: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:44 PM

Dear Colleagues:

It has been brought to my attention that our posts are now being used by reps from different companies to help sell their brackets.   The post is printed and used in their sales meeting with the orthodontist trying to decide which system to use.  This is being done without our knowledge or consent.   I know that one of my posts has been floating as a testimonial against a system that I strongly support.  Unfortunately, I posted to this site to help other colleagues with problems I was having; sharing solutions.   Unfortunately, some unscrupulous rep is out there using that post to blast a competitor.

With this information, I would strongly urge anyone posting to this site, to think twice about what they are posting.  If companies are going to have access to this information and are going to use it for their own benefit,  outside of improving their own products, I am not sure that this site should be used for anything other than postings for meetings, etc.

I was truly sorry to hear this and hope that everyone will post with this in mind. 

Happy Holidays,
Mark Lively


From: "Lively Orthodontics, P.A." <>
Date: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Self Ligation and bracket repositioning

Hi All:

As an addendum to the posting I made in November, we are now using the D3 Metal on the upper bicuspids, thus completing the Damon 3 system.  It doesn't get any easier.  We have worked out all of the problems we experienced during our learning curve and I cannot imagine going back to the old system. 

At this point, we have not had issues with repositioning brackets as was experienced with the twin bracket system.  We are now finishing up patients that were promised a 25% reduced treatment time, and we are keeping those promises.   We are definitely seeing broader smiles and my extraction treatment plans have been reduced.  I am also using fewer expanders in combination with the Damon system.  Discomfort has been decreased and lip irritation is definitely at an all time low with the D3 system.

We have started placing a stop on all patients at the midline and have shown them how to move this stop back to center with their finger should the wire slide to one side or the other.  Emergency visits are now a thing of the past.  Patient education goes a long way.  Patients and parents understand the benefits of being seen every 10 weeks and also understand that certain wires can work for extended periods of time. 

Bonding issues were resolved for us as of my last posting.  Breakage no greater than that of any other system I have used but we are happy to hear that the base being used for future shipments will be the base used on the Orthos system.   This can only be a benefit.  We have found the new packaging system to meet our needs.  It seems that all concerns have been addressed by Ormco.  

I hope that all of you using self-ligating systems are seeing the benefits that we are at this time.  It has truly made each visit more exciting for us and the energy that the patients bring to their visits is unlike anything we have experienced.  They are excited about the changes they see between visits.  The adult patients are probably the most devoted Damon patients.

Mark Lively
Lively Orthodontics, P.A. 


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