Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:17:37 -0600
From: "ESCO automatic digest system" <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU>
Subject: ESCO Digest - 31 Oct 2006 to 2 Nov 2006 (#2006-39)
To: ESCO@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU

There are 3 messages totalling 657 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:
1. Re: Sleep Apnea Appliances
2. Invisalign

 

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:43:56 EST
From: DRGSCOTT@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Sleep Apnea Appliances

Try the removable Herbst Sleep Appliance from Great Lakes.  I like it because it is easy to adjust and seems the most comfortable for my patients.  I use the hard acrylic version but have not tried their other types. Greg Scott

In a message dated 11/1/2006 1:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU writes: I am currently working with a relative who has sleep apnea.  I have information from Glidewell Labs on their appliances, Silent Night, Tap, Tap-T.  I currently have this patient wearing a Silent Night appliance, as a screening appliance.  Glidewell does not suggest long term use of the Sil. Nite, as it allows some tooth movement.  The patient seems to have been successful with the appliance, and is interested in using one of the long term appliances, i.e. Tap, Tap-T.  I would really like to correspond with someone who may have a little experience with these appliances. Joe Brenner

 

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:20:26 -0500
From: "charles ruff" <orthodmd@MAC.COM>
Subject: Invisalign


Dear Dr Adams

You could try a simple clothes dryer vent flap assembly, available at hardware and plumbing stores, but you would have to make some provision for opening it while sterilizing, since there is a magnetic door wjhich is designed to open with exhaust air from a clothes dryer.

RE: Invisalign
Whatever the legal patent issues, it is disingenuous for Align to tell OrthoClear patients that they will be completed at no charge. This inconveniently places the doctor in a position where one needs to join Invisalign, submit full pretreatment records, and essentially start a new case.  All at no charge. Great marketing for the company but a very manipulative maneuver which places the dentist in a position of providing a free service with all the kudos garnered by Align.  Of course, if the strategy is to take an orthodontist out of the equation...it's brilliant

Dr Dick Carter
Orthodontist Portland OR USA drdcarter@mac.com


nice to hear from you Dick.
Using your comments as a springboard, I would like to add that I've always felt that Invisalign was antiprofessional.  Not sure if I want to say antiorthodontist since I don't know whether they tx dentists worse or better than they tx orthodontists but they've always treated us as after thoughts (at best).  Dealing with a regular orthodontic supply company (Unitek, GAC) is a win win for both parties or should be.  I think the reps of the major companies know this equation.  I'm not sure Invisalign does.
I called my rep and complained about the Invisalign news article saying that there would be no charge to the patients for the switch as long as the orthodontists agreed not to charge the patients anything extra as if to imply that Invisalign was more loyal to the patient than the treating orthodontist.  What absolute BS!  They could have handled this so much better than they did.
Best to all.
charlie ruff

 

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:01:28 -0500
From: "Dave Paquette" <dave@PAQUETTEORTHO.COM>
Subject: Re: ESCO Digest - 24 Oct 2006 to 31 Oct 2006 (#2006-38)

Re: Orthoclear

Why all the whining? The patient didn't choose Orthoclear, you the orthodontist did. If we orthodontists accept a transfer patient we get new records and then charge them to complete treatment as “essentially a new case” from that point forward. As I see it, all Align is asking for is new records and they are completing treatment for nothing. What a deal! Yes it is great marketing for Align, but more than that it saved a bunch of orthodontists from having to explain why they couldn't complete the treatment they started. If one of the bracket companies was in the same position I doubt very much if any of them would supply everyone with free brackets to finish all the patients in treatment by the company that went out of business!

Dave Paquette

Charlotte, NC

Re;Cold Air

Dear Dr Adams

You could try a simple clothes dryer vent flap assembly, available at hardware and plumbing stores, but you would have to make some provision for opening it while sterilizing, since there is a magnetic door wjhich is designed to open with exhaust air from a clothes dryer.

RE: Invisalign

Whatever the legal patent issues, it is disingenuous for Align to tell OrthoClear patients that they will be completed at no charge. This inconveniently places the doctor in a position where one needs to join Invisalign, submit full pretreatment records, and essentially start a new case. All at no charge. Great marketing for the company but a very manipulative maneuver which places the dentist in a position of providing a free service with all the kudos garnered by Align. Of course, if the strategy is to take an orthodontist out of the equation...it's brilliant

Dr Dick Carter

Orthodontist

Portland OR USA

drdcarter@mac.com