Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:18:50 -0600
From: "ESCO automatic digest system" <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU>
Subject: ESCO Digest - 18 Dec 2006 to 21 Dec 2006 (#2006-52)
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There are 4 messages totalling 179 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:
1. Folding
2. OC and Align
3. Miscommunication? Resorbable solution?
4. Scott Smoron

 

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:47:42 -0600
From: "SCOTT SMORON" <scottsmoron@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Folding

Techno question for all those out there who are computer enthusiasts...anyone out there folding? Stanford University has a distributed computing project that has been ongoing for several years and they have about 200,000 computers working worldwide on protein folding research...for those so inclined... folding.stanford.edu Basically, when your computer is idle, Stanford has a program that runs in the background. So for those who have a server running 24/7 you can really have an impact on something other than just the electricity bill. If anyone is, what team are you on? Should we create an orthodontic profession team? Ron Redmond et al please feel free to chime in here too. A little off the beaten orthodontic path, but they are modeling collagen molecules and some of us have useful computing power going to waste!!

Scott Smoron,
aka Low Carb Team, 52388

 

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:19:02 -0600
From: "SCOTT SMORON" <scottsmoron@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: OC and Align

I think I speak for all former OC customers when I say 2 things.

1) ESCO is our only means of communicating with each other. There are communications going on behind ESCO's e-mails that are happening only because someone has posted here. If we did not have ESCO available we would all be flying blind in this transition.

2) If you are not an OC customer, please DO NOT READ OR EVEN RESPOND to the OC postings. We are trying to communicate with each other NOT you. This is the only forum available to us since Align is not informing us. I am out here vocalizing what people are privately tellling me, and they FEAR reprisal from Align. That is pretty sad. Trust us, we will go quietly into that night when this is all done. In addition, Align has been criticized for years in ESCO. This is really nothing new. I understand that you feel we have hijacked ESCO. I am sorry. We really do not need any lectures on corporate America. You have your vantage point. Great. We have our patients interests at heart right now and if you want to attack profit motive let me know how much you decreased your treatment fee when Align lowered its lab fee to compete against OC. I did decrease my fees. Actually, I challenge any additional true blue Align fans to POST HOW MUCH YOU DECREASED your their treatment fee when Align decreased their lab fee in the beginning of their e-mail prior to criticizing OC users about $$. Those of us who did jump ship did adjust out fees. As a matter of fact, I am now treating some patients at fee quotes of $2500 that were given prior to the settlement. Those cases only fit the full fee Align case...so I am treating those at a loss. We tried to provide an excellent product at a great price. In addition, I am THRILLED to know that your customer service experience with Align was flawless and to be praised. I do not personally know another Align user who has felt the same way. All I can say again is thank god the reps could step in to correct the problems in the past. I am sorry that our patients being screwed causes some of us to vent. I am sorry some people's ventings cause others to vent. But come on, let us commuicate about what is going without being lectured to. Which is how this probably appears anyways... FINALLY...I think most of this could have been prevented by Align and OC. Honestly, when Align first said submission guidelines would be up the 1st week of October I assumed they were telling us the truth. So I started taking PVS impressions and stopping treatment. The guidelines were not posted until the 1st week of November. The next step now, waiting for ClinChecks, has been a problem because we have no idea what to tell patients. The reps tell us "soon" but nothing happens. I think Align planned to wait until December 15th, their deadline for OC registrations, to determine what the load would be. Then they would figure out how to handle it. So any models submitted would sit until 12/15. If so, just tell us. I would have waited until December to take models! It would have worked out better if they had just told us that we needed to register by December 15th and only then PVS models would be processed as possible. I now have 3 month old PVS at Align because I was told the cases could be submitted the first week of October and that first in would likely be first out. Does this make sense? I could have planned much better with any degree of information more. I still don't know what it going on.

 

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:43:23 -0600
From: "SCOTT SMORON" <scottsmoron@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Miscommunication? Resorbable solution?

The following posting seems to imply that in some fashion I was demonstrating disdain towards TADs. I am a fan, as in someone who likes to use, these devices and was discussing what protocols were working for others in order to compare notes. In addition I raised the issue that I do "disdain" the actual term TADs. Sorry if I was not clear. In addition, the current TADs seem to satisfy most of the needs of what we might need from them. I must admit that I do not imagine how resorbable TADs would satisfy any needs. The current TADs are easily removed with few complications. I would image that resorbable TADs might, well, resorb before I was done with them. In addition, most patients I have talked with are more concerned with something being left in them...they are relieved to know that the device is removed. Finally, I would expect a resorbable TAD to be more brittle than the metallic TADs. Anyone have any inside knowledge on these resorbable TADs and what problem they might solve? Scott Smoron Dear Colleagues: It's very easy for anyone to disdain, ignore or neglect others' accomplishments, however, TAD has been a real breakthrough in orthodontic anchorage, despite of any possible side-effects!. . . Any issue has its potential side-effects or negative assets, nevertheless, TAD, mini-screws or micro-implants are a leverage, foothold and basis for new approaches as "still under researches" the resorpable mini-screws, which I think is the perspective of future orthodontics.

Thank you.
Dr.M.A.Kharsa

 

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:46:14 -0500
From: "charles ruff" <orthodmd@MAC.COM>
Subject: Scott Smoron

Scott,

Welcome. I don't recognize your name so I assume you are a newbie. Please keep up your interest in ESCO. Here is the question of the week for you. If you are a St Lou graduate, how come you don't do Tip-Edge? Or at least the AAO www does not ID you as a Tip Edge (Begg) practitioner. AND before there were lasers, there was electrosurgery (sometimes called radiosurgery at Ellman.com) I've done that for 20 years. I also tried lasers (Waterlase) on Sellke's recommendation but found it really slow compared to radiosurgery. I also like the price $1800 for a radiosurgery unit. Happy Holidays.

charlie ruff