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September 19, 2005

Q: FROM STUDENT MEMBER CORINNE C. IN CA
This question is more directed to the women who can remember what their
college experience was like majoring in math and science. Basically, what
was your environment like in your classes? Was it male-dominated? If so,
how did that feel?
Did you have to deal with sexism in college, [in order] to go toward the
math and science world?

A: FROM MENTOR DAVINIA CHISM IN TX
Corinne,
I obtained my BS in Mathematics in 1995. Then later went to receive a MBA
in Engineering Management in 1999 and a MS in Engineering in 2002. My
perception has actually changed over the years. I think that is because
our culture is slowly changing. While every instructor is always unique
and may have their own opinion, I have found the environment to be more
accepting now that when I received my BS.

My classes have always been male dominated. My senior level undergraduate
math courses were entirely male. I would be lucky to have one other female
in the class. By 2002, my senior level graduate math and engineering
classes had up to 20-30% women. I think there is a difference in graduate
level courses because instructors assume women are more serious at that
level. In my undergraduate classes, I felt unique and at times felt
certain instructors did not take me as seriously. But I knew the final say
would always be in my work - I could gain or lose respect that way. I
never felt intimidated - if anything I felt proud because of the classes I
was in. However, I did feel at times that I was in the classes for a
different reason than my male counterparts. We did not always appreciate
the same aspects. But I never had any classmates make fun of me or
discourage me. They were always impressed that I was there.

By no means did I feel discouraged. At times I was even encouraged
strictly because I was female. I think our culture is moving more and more
towards one that accepts students on the basis of their outputs and not
their gender. You should have a very bright future in front of you.

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A: FROM MENTOR RACHEL HUTTER IN FL
The ratio of men to women in engineering in college is over 5 to 1. You
will find some differences from your male peers. While they might be
just a number in a large school, your instructors will know you by name
as will most of the people in your classes. Some of your instructors
may have stereotypes about men being stronger in math and science than
women. If so, make sure that you discuss the issues if you feel
comfortable doing so. If not, report them to the Dean of the School.
Cultures of different campuses can differ drastically. You deserve to
be treated respectfully and fairly. If you are not, report it or go to
a different school. Female engineering students are in high demand.
You can and should find a culture that will support your math and
science interests. I strongly recommend joining the Society of Women
Engineers so that you build a network and support structure. On the
positive side, you most certainly will not be lacking for dates! Good
luck.
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A: FROM MENTOR JOAN LUSK IN RI
When I was in college the demographic was about 80% male, 20% female overall, and even more skewed in the sciences - I recall about 10% female chemistry majors. We just saw that as how the world was and didn't dwell on it. Things have changed a lot - colleges in general now have more female than male students, and the proportions in chemistry and biology are about 50:50. Physics and Engineering are still more majority male.

One advantage to studying natural science is that you are not as likely to be put down for having a female approach to the subject. Your approach may be better or worse than the next guy's, but the nature of the subjects makes it hard to conceive of approaches as masculine or feminine. It's very unlikely that today's professors would be so foolish as to be openly hostile to women as students. It's not even all that often that male classmates assume that women can't do science - there are just too many counterexamples.

As you may infer, I don't subscribe to the notion that men and women would create different sciences. They may behave rather differently to co-workers. They may use different metaphors - notably the concept of "thrust areas" versus areas of science that are to be well-funded and nurtured, or sports metaphors versus household metaphors. But mathematical equations, elementary particles, molecules, lower life forms, plate tectonics and cosmology are going to be the same no matter who is studying them. If some higher life forms (dogs, other people) seem to behave differently toward men and women, we are left to tease out whether they are responding to gender per se or to differences in behavior.
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A: FROM MENTOR VICTORIA PALMER IN TX
Corinne,
I graduated from Texas A&M with an Aerospace Engineering degree in 1988. At that time, all the engineering fields were very male-dominated, but Aerospace seemed to be the worse. There were 6 females in my graduating class and about 80 males. When I started at A&M as a freshman, the numbers were not this drastic, but by my sophomore year, it was pretty obvious that I would be taking classes with mostly males. I was always good at math and really liked physics, so I knew this degree was the right one for me, but I also knew there would be challenges. I did not have a single female professor or teacher assistant for any of my engineering classes. Female role models just weren't there. Many of my professors and some of the male students didn't seem to take me seriously. This just made me work harder and prove to them that I was as good, if not better, than my male peers. What I found to be the hardest obstacle was finding good study partners. Once you prove yourself as a hard worker and one committed to making good grades, you might find, as I did, that some of your study partners just want you to do their work for them. I think some males think you will be a push over because you are female. It took some looking for me, but I found a good group of guys to study with that were as committed as I was and didn't care that I was a female. One thing that really worked in my favor through this all was that I did learn to work with males, which was exactly what I had to do when I joined the work force. No matter what you decide to do, you might encounter some kind of bias for some reason or another. Take it as a challenge and run with it!

Thanks,
Tori Palmer
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A: FROM MENTOR NORRIE ROBBINS IN CA
What a cool question-thanks for bringing back the memories. I got my BS in Geology from Ohio State in 1964. I found my professors to be nurturing-now I understand things that were unclear before: professors of undergraduates are mostly very caring people; they get paid because of the number of students they attract, so it is in their interest to nurture their students; and finally, they love teaching and they love seeing that their students are learning. Male-dominated defines geology. On the other hand, I was a young woman and I thought it was pretty cool to be completely surrounded by young males. The downside is that they then grew up to become adult males, who are less cute in the daily work world.

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A: FROM MENTOR MINI VARUGHESE in MD
I majored in biochemistry. Science is not male dominated anymore. The
classes are 50/50. Graduate school was also 50/50. The faculty was
100 % male though. I was known as one of the people or the person who blew
the curve. I did not meet any overt sexism in undergrad. Graduate school
was a different experience. I did my graduate work at the same school in the
same program as my undergrad. Up close interaction allowed me to see
the sexism. Nothing blatant, like "go make babies not science" but instead
in the general treatment of women vs men.

1. One advisor during journal club would nail the women to the wall
during their presentations while the guys got off easy. One other
graduate student and I confronted him about it.
2. Another advisor gave the easy projects to the guys in his group and
the harder projects to the women.
3. A third advisor had nothing but white people in his lab. This was in
a small graduate program with more than 50 % Asians.
4. Another advisor managed to run off every single woman that rotated
through his lab and only the guys were willing to stay and put up with
the abuse. One guy ended up getting an MRI for persistent fevers due to
the stress.
5. But it can work in your favor too. At least two female graduate
students in other departments were sleeping with their bosses and got
all the fellowships. Blatantly unethical, but the male dominated system let
the professors get away with it. And yes, it is professors fault as he
is the one with the power.
Thank you,
Mini Varughese, Ph.D.
Technical Representative